ACTUAL DEBATE!
If you haven't filled out the debate poll - you should before you read the actual debate, but here it is - because it names don't matter, I will name the Debaters - Tom, Kelly and Tonya. The couple are Nancy and Norm. Here is the conversation (as always some details are changed but the idea stays the same):
Place: Tom and Kelly's spotless and old-fashioned apartment. It is a two-floor, but everything is in place...the style is slightly eccentric hits classic. The tables are lined with fresh flowers and the matching table sets are always shining, when you walk in it always smells of fresh laundry or something delicious baking in the air. There is usually a pillow flopped in the living room, but you can tell that it's there for a purpose - the home is comfortable but yet stylish - a look that few can pull of. Kelly works a few odd-jobs (volunteering her time here and there) while Tom works hard as a doctor. They have children but even though the children are VERY child-like they, too, have a look of stylish comfort.
Tom: Kelly and I went out to eat with Nancy and Norm - did you know that they got married?
Tonya: No - I am happy that Norm got re-married though, he is such a nice guy, it's a shame how his ex-wife treated him.
Kelly: Yeah, well we went to dinner...and then...
Tom: Don't even talk about it...
Kelly: They are such a sweet couple
Tonya: BUT...I can tell by both of your awkwardness - there is something else - SPILL IT
Kelly: Well, they invited us to drinks at their new home, because they just had a house built and we were so far from home and we..
Tom: IT WAS A MESS, JUST SAY IT KELLY! IT SMELLED LIKE FISH and trash - there was mess all over the floor,
Kelly: They warned us it may be a mess
Tom: But he-- we weren't expecting this! There was toys everywhere and their kids were out of town...I couldn't even enjoy my drink
Kelly: To be honest, I wanted to ask her to run my glass through hot water before she gave it to me.
Tonya: Dang ,no wonder Norm couldn't keep his wife!
Kelly and Tom: WHAT! NO WONDER WHAT? What does he have to do with it? When that story, you think Norm????
Tonya: Yeah, who likes a dirty man - yuck...it's all about men keeping it clean and
Kelly: A MAN?!? When people walk into my home - who do they compliment - me! When they see my children, being well kempt who do the compliment? Me! Why because it is the woman that is supposed to keep it together - everyone knows that people see a dirty home, messy children, a tacky wedding, disguisting food as a REFLECTION OF THE WOMAN!
Tom is now nodding his head happily in the background...
Tom: Everyone thinks that that is the woman's job - to keep the house and household matters together - to keep it tight!
Tonya: But people also see the man, MANY TIMES, as the head of the household - so then if that's the case wouldn't it be the man's fault that his ship is not running properly. Doesn't that mean he's a push-over! I mean, he has no issue in this?
Kelly: He does - but, Tonya, let's be real - no one sees a couple's dirty home and thinks - he is responsible or he needs to clean it up!
And according to the votes, only one person saw this as solely something that a man should have to do! So I guess Kelly "partially" wins this debate - although, most people didn't see it as majority the woman's fault either...although I did receive this in an e-mail:
Place: Tom and Kelly's spotless and old-fashioned apartment. It is a two-floor, but everything is in place...the style is slightly eccentric hits classic. The tables are lined with fresh flowers and the matching table sets are always shining, when you walk in it always smells of fresh laundry or something delicious baking in the air. There is usually a pillow flopped in the living room, but you can tell that it's there for a purpose - the home is comfortable but yet stylish - a look that few can pull of. Kelly works a few odd-jobs (volunteering her time here and there) while Tom works hard as a doctor. They have children but even though the children are VERY child-like they, too, have a look of stylish comfort.
Tom: Kelly and I went out to eat with Nancy and Norm - did you know that they got married?
Tonya: No - I am happy that Norm got re-married though, he is such a nice guy, it's a shame how his ex-wife treated him.
Kelly: Yeah, well we went to dinner...and then...
Tom: Don't even talk about it...
Kelly: They are such a sweet couple
Tonya: BUT...I can tell by both of your awkwardness - there is something else - SPILL IT
Kelly: Well, they invited us to drinks at their new home, because they just had a house built and we were so far from home and we..
Tom: IT WAS A MESS, JUST SAY IT KELLY! IT SMELLED LIKE FISH and trash - there was mess all over the floor,
Kelly: They warned us it may be a mess
Tom: But he-- we weren't expecting this! There was toys everywhere and their kids were out of town...I couldn't even enjoy my drink
Kelly: To be honest, I wanted to ask her to run my glass through hot water before she gave it to me.
Tonya: Dang ,no wonder Norm couldn't keep his wife!
Kelly and Tom: WHAT! NO WONDER WHAT? What does he have to do with it? When that story, you think Norm????
Tonya: Yeah, who likes a dirty man - yuck...it's all about men keeping it clean and
Kelly: A MAN?!? When people walk into my home - who do they compliment - me! When they see my children, being well kempt who do the compliment? Me! Why because it is the woman that is supposed to keep it together - everyone knows that people see a dirty home, messy children, a tacky wedding, disguisting food as a REFLECTION OF THE WOMAN!
Tom is now nodding his head happily in the background...
Tom: Everyone thinks that that is the woman's job - to keep the house and household matters together - to keep it tight!
Tonya: But people also see the man, MANY TIMES, as the head of the household - so then if that's the case wouldn't it be the man's fault that his ship is not running properly. Doesn't that mean he's a push-over! I mean, he has no issue in this?
Kelly: He does - but, Tonya, let's be real - no one sees a couple's dirty home and thinks - he is responsible or he needs to clean it up!
And according to the votes, only one person saw this as solely something that a man should have to do! So I guess Kelly "partially" wins this debate - although, most people didn't see it as majority the woman's fault either...although I did receive this in an e-mail:
"I responded overwhelmed; only because I did not see any choices that I thought fit. My solution would be: if they could afford to have the mother quit her job…she needs to get her butt home and start taking care of business… house, kids and husband. If they TRULY need to have two incomes then their children need to come home and as a family get things running like a somewhat organized household"
So now what do you think about this debate?
End results:
So now what do you think about this debate?
End results:
- 28 people thought two peas in a pod
- 25 people would be overwhelmed
- 7 people would think the woman is a hot mess
- 1 person thought that the man should get to scrubbin'
